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Dananiel · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: chanology

gonna start a new thread, because i want to. think of it like a blog, and after each entry i will wash my torso with bleach and roman garlic.

there's been some reports that the $ientologists have two known plans to do something a bit disturbing at the LA and clearwater protests. apparently they're gonna use their own children (most likely 10 - 14, but god knows) to 'get in' with the anon crowd. there was some suspicion that they'd don the v for vendetta masks this time and try and get in the crowd, but to be honest that sounded kind of fruitless. there's no information that they could pick up from the protests that they couldn't find online and then some. they could attempt to start a fight, which would fuck the whole peaceful protest thing and get us shut down, but nobody is going to fight back, not even verbally. the general consensus is that if anything too rowdy does kick off, everybody sits on the ground to neutralise the situation. so that wouldn't really work. but this kid infiltration makes sense. they can go at it from a few angles here: firstly, and most worryingly, they know that these things are documented constantly with photographs and video by most anon, so if they can get video footage of an anon filming a child, or somebody who is at least technically underage, they can accuse anonymous of pedophilia. they've done it before with a man, they invited him to film a party or something and then reported him to the police as a child molester. what a lovely bunch they are. secondly, they could simply use the children to cause agro, which is something anonymous doesn't need.

the idea for la and clearwater is to paint the kids faces during a 'happy family funtime' then set them loose. i wouldn't be surprised if they took a stab at this or something similar at other places, people at smaller scale protests have to be so careful. there are counter-protests planned for other cities, which in one sense is good because it brings things to the forefront a bit, anonymous can actually get their message across + a counter protests will mean the noise will at least triple, which may lead to a better chance of wider media coverage. however, i'd be shocked if they put together a counter protest for london, the numbers are too far against them.

i don't think it's going to be a relatively easy ride like last time, i think they've had a month now to do whatever they can, and i'm sure they'll do it. see, the problem with trying to second guess these people is that you can't. in order to think a step ahead you have to be able to think outside your own moral code, which is surprisingly difficult to do. they have literally no morals, anything with them is fair game (see: 'the fair game policy'). however, they're not stupid. they're not gonna do anything that would put anonymous at an easy vantage point like punch somebody to start a riot, but they will do just about anything they could conceivably get away with. i know, i know, it sounds like a silly film plot, but it's not a film. it's reality. these people exist and they exist everywhere.

more to the point, it's not about battling the church of scientology in a tactics war, it's about destroying their reputation just by telling the truth. which in turn will leave them out of pocket and and in steep decline.

i say that they're not stupid, but i don't trust them doing research on anonymous. as you may or may not know anonymous is pretty heavily linked 4* c h a n :

(spaced out to censor, the codeword for that place is 'ebaums' so when i say ebaums, that's what i mean. the reason for this is that i don't want that term showing up on google searches. also, rules 1+2 of 'the internet' is do not talk about /b/ (the main bulk of ebaums) and THAT is because is ebaums gains too much exposure it'll die. not just in terms of quality, but also because it's a legal timebomb. i know, we'd more than likely be fine on this liddle biddle forum, but it's a general rule so i'm sticking to it)

and the content on ebaums will give them all sorts of ideas. i won't go into the ins and outs of ebaums now because that's long and boring (and of course this is all interesting Wink

) but basically, it's best if they aren't anywhere near that place. the truth is, saying "we found this on ebaums, this is anonymous's home" won't really stand up legally, but it would be a point for them in the damaging credibility battle. something tells me they'll save all that propaganda for when and if anonymous gains wider exposure.

so the key thing, really, is to always conceal your identity, document absolutely everything with photographs or video, and always always always back down from a confrontation, no matter who it is. backing down in this instance equates to not retaliating directly, either physically or verbally. so that means if they start harassing you, wherever you are, you can either a) simply move yourself to somewhere else in the protests or b) ask them unrelenting questions. in the unlikely event they actually attempt to answer a question, don't respond, keep asking more questions or simply chant something at them. their main tactic is to just attack, never defend. if you defend, they're on the upper foot immediately. fighting with them won't get anyone anywhere.

it's gonna be interesting! i think it's too early for them to be pulling out anything big in london or new york, my guess is that they'll wait and see if anonymous is still as loud and vast in number as it was on the 10th february before doing anything big like staging a counter protest in a major city. the weather is looking preetttaay prettaayy prettaayyyy bleak this saturday, which is only slightly unnerving. i'm confident all the same people and more will return, but it does probably prevent the people who are in two minds.

for the next protest i'm hoping i can rally together a group of maybe about 10 (if more, then all the better) to attend a smaller scale protest. i'm not the only one thinking about this, i think the smaller protests could see an increase this time and next time, making sure there's a respectable turnout for each church is vital towards being taken seriously. this is why i would urge you to go to one if you happen to live near a small one.

http://harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/

that site will help find 'churches'.

but ALL of that said, this is actually a party (haha). the principle is to have fun, be loud and get the message across. for every accusation they sling, we'll eat a piece of cake, for every time they cry wolf, we'll sing a theme tune. anonymous don't have to attack or get their message across to the church of scientology, they have to do that to the people passing by and to the media. the protest itself is an exhibition, a strange but interesting sight to draw people in, people who are then given information by anybody they approach (people in masks are a little scary, so there are plenty of anon unmasked out of view from the scientologists)

haha fuck me i've written a lot! i find it all immensely interesting and i'm passionate about the cause, so why the hell not. as i say, it's a thinking out loud thing, you don't have to read it. but here's the TL;DR: scientology is silly!

remember, http://www.xenu.net is a fantastic resource of information, always give it to people who are inquisitive. but also tell them to do their own research, google is your friend. that's not laziness, it just helps keep things fair, if you like. propaganda is propaganda, no matter who serves it up.

so yeah. even if you can't attend a protest, you can still do stuff. click here for a pack of protest leaflets, flyers, cards etc. print them off, hand them about, just leave them places. it all helps.

knowledge is free.

BILLY V2.0 · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:04 am Post subject:

i'm just reading about the raids today on something awful and apparently people were carrying "down with this sort of thing" and "careful now" signs

i wish i'd gone Crying or Very sad

talbot, i hope you made it home in one piece
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Dananiel · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:53 am Post subject:

EPIC DAY WAS FUCKING EPIC

i'm way too exhausted to go into it now. also re the down with this sort thing signs - some clever chaps did it last time and this time quite a few people caught on.

until tomorrow, here's me as the police were shooing as away:

Dananiel · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject:

after a bit of wrong-training catching in the morning, me and james rolled into blackfriars about 45 minutes after it started on victoria street, as soon as we walked off the train we were greeted by some anon, and made our way to the protests. their building here was pretty impressive, it was huge! this was also the better protest site of the day (but not the most effective and fun, interestingly enough) opposite we had lots of space behind the barriers and up the steps was lots of space and the ability to look down over the main doors of the scientology building. the guys inside didn't want to come out, instead they chose to sit by the window filming us constantly, probably in the hope they could get a few unmasked faces on film.

just as things started really gaining momentum, the police told us that we will be moving to tottenham court road in 15 minutes. so when the time came the police escorted us, all 700+ across a busy city area to the nearest tube station. the general public looked confused as hell, but that wasn't really a good time to be assigning anon to fill in the gaps. then as we entered the tube station, it went oddly quiet, everybody started piling up on the escalators going down and everybody on the escalators going up had a similar look of confusion on their face. at the bottom of the escalators was a violin busker who started playing you'll never walk alone (which i couldn't believe, i just rediscovered how good that song is the day before) i looked back up and a sea of anon with the same face, a strange but somewhat beautiful moment. as soon as the train pulled in things got very loud, we squeezed on the train and had a small party, handing out cake to passengers etc.

(i kept falling into this girl trying to take that but she didn't seem to mind)

then on went another short walk to tottenham court road. smaller building, smaller space to protest but it was fantastic. things started getting really rowdy, about four scientologists opened up their doors and stood outside handing out leaflets to people. each time somebody took one we'd scream RIP IT UP! RIP IT UP! and 8 times out of 10 they would, and they'd get the biggest cheer you've ever heard. that was especially great because they were so outnumbered, and handing out leaflets to people on their side of the road was all they could do. they would have liked to have done more, but the police in london were fan-fucking-tastic. i mean they really do know what they're doing.

being up against the barriers in the hot sweaty crowd was a thrilling experience at tottenham court road, somebody would chant something and then somebody else would chant a response. it was really funny at times. aside from all of the fresh prince theme tunes, sparta techno and OVER NINE THOUSAND?! shouting, there were some nice abrasive chants such as "WHY IS LISA DEAD?" which were important and satisfying.

cake and boots multivitamins were being passed around constantly, but people didn't seem to be in much of a mood for eating. at 4pm it started to rain, and i felt that was an important time to keep the noise up even though we were tired, and luckily we did, but not long after the police informed us that they would be shutting the protest down. i'm not sure why, it wasn't because anybody stepped over the line from either side or anything, maybe it was just a practical step.

i felt sad that i had to leave, so we used what time we had left to wander around talking to other anon. then this one guy who said he was a goon from SA began talking to me and james, he filmed a response from me about the day and then walked with us to the train station. i asked him some general internet-based questions and he didn't have any hugely convincing answers, but he did give a bit of fairly indepth information on SA. i mean he had the mask and suit, and i don't think he was a plant, but it is a reminder that when we all have no identity, the rules change completely. going back to victoria we bumped into other anon still masked (as were we) and we cheered at each other. by the time we got to victoria we took off our masks and it was bizarre, it was like having a cast taken off, but a cast on your face.

i was in the middle of the masked core, so i didn't get much insight on the actual directly practical aspect of the protest (the information givers etc) but i'm told that they had an equally as successful day, so that's fantastic news.

absolutely phenomenal. it's genuinely moving to just be there, everybody there young and old completely understood why they were there and what they were doing. the sense of community was natural and strong.

here's a few more pictures i took

caek!

BILLY V2.0 · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject:

nice work dan. i'm still slightly in awe of the whole thing. it's utterly bizarre! i've been reading the megathread over on SA and people seem pretty happy with how it all went. what's the long term plan? will there be protests indefinitely? i would've thought the numbers would die down but it doesn't look like it. plus once the weather picks up i'm such there'll be alot more people tagging along for the lulz.
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Dananiel · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject:

i spoke to a goon from SA at the end about the whole thing, he was a nice chap.

main objective: dismantle the church of scientology. but of course it's not as simple as that. it is my understanding that protests of this nature will happen every month and mini-raids (small scale two-day-warning) will happen a few times a month. each month will have a different emphasis, last month was to commemorate lisa mcpherson's birthday, this month was to "celebrate" l ron hubbards birthday, and next month will be operation reconnect on the 12th april. the main aim of this one is a focus on the way scientology tears families apart (many chants yesterday of "scientology, your families miss you". further months protests aren't decided on yet, but i would say there's bound to be a summer party themed one with a bbq and i'd be very surprised if there wasn't a guy fawkes one on the 5th of november.

i think the key really is to raise as much awareness as possible. the protests are just one part of the whole operation, other things are happening all over the world, every day. we have to let the media in without compromising what anonymous is - which will prove tricky. but it's doable.

a quick roundup of a few important things: the church of scientology have shot themselves firmly in the foot by claiming that anonymous threatened to plant a bomb in their churches via a youtube video. they submitted this video in court, but were told to fuck off. why? the video was in high definition. they claim they downloaded it from youtube. nice going, guys. nice.

in atlanta an anon with a megaphone was arrested for reasons unknown. he was bailed out by anonymous later, but it seems the RIOT POLICE (which they sent to a small peaceful protest!) took him as they thought he was the leader. there is no leader. clearly the scientologists and the police have their hands in each others pockets over there, but that kind of friction, though harder to deal with, may prove easier in the quest for more awareness.

at the moment i'm just thinking about rounding up a group of as many people i can to go to a sparsely attended location for april.

Dananiel · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject:

:O

BILLY V2.0 · Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject:

Q. what's 4-chan marshall's stage name?

A. lolcat power

if that didn't make you laugh dan, then fuck right off
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Dananiel · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:48 am Post subject:

i smirked, that's the most you're getting out of me.

Dananiel · Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject:

ROUND 3, HERE WE GO

i guess there's not really much to say! it seems most of the amusements and footbullets come after the protest as they stage their "counter attacks"

here's hoping for another fantastically policed protest tomorrow, with plenty of cake and justice and for all. justice in the form of a cake, also accepted.

probably not worth saying this, but if you're near a protest, GO.

Dananiel · Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:07 am Post subject:

an otherwise fantastic day ruined by the victoria line being closed and me getting on the wrong train and walking around london for two hours desperately needing a piss.

ruined is way too harsh, it was fantastic. it rained and hailed but we stayed out in force, even if the numbers were slightly down overall this time (possibly due to uni work commitments for many right now) i forgot my camera too, so no pictures this time : (

i took a couple of me and my sign before i left.....without my camera...

my sign got fucking drenched and the ink ran, by 5 it looked like some kind of abstract painting.

edit: btw the sign is reference to scientologies disconnection policy, ie anybody within the church who has relatives or friends who are negative about the church, are forced to break all contact with that person because they are a "suppressive person" (read: anybody not willing to agree with them 100%). many mothers and children are separated for years because of it.

nospam · Sexmonster Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 673

the victoria line being down was a right cunt.
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Pah. · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject:

when is the next event?

Dananiel · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:53 am Post subject:

10th may