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RChappo

I got the "new' Beatles album 'Love' for Xmas. I usually get any beatles album on the first day of release but I waited until santa brought me this one because frankly i wasn't all that enamoured with the whole concept of it. it's not that i was offended that they had remixed beatles tracks but just that it was the soundtrack to a show i had no real desire to see. i'm not a fan of musicals or cirque de soliel at all....so it was just a mild curiosity to me really.

anyway, mrs chappo bought it me and I listened to it and i bloody love it.

it just sounds great...the clarity of the music is superb and the mixes are done really well. you have to listen to it all the way through really to appreciate it as it is designed as a whole piece and there are some stunning moments.

personally for me i don't think it really gets going until track 5 merges into track 6, I Am The Walrus going into I Want To Hold Your Hand and from there it just takes off.

people are calling it a mash up but it's not really that brutal...it's far more subtle than i imagined it to be and way better than any amateur mixes that are done by folks on the internet (as interesting as some of them are).

one of my favourite parts is the Mr Kite/I Want You/Helter Skelter mix....brilliant idea and well executed.

but i also love the 'something' mix...not too different from the original but sounds lovely.

anyway now i do want to see the show in vegas and we're already looking at booking flights and tickets for some time next year. Any show with Beatles music in a theatre with over 700 separate speakers and with a surround mix tailored for each individual seat (there are 6 speakers in each seat!!) must be worth seeing and hearing i think :)
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Dananiel · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:12 am Post subject:

I don't really like it. It seems stuck somewhere inbetween a remaster and a mashup. It really should just be one thing or the other. In parts it gets really interesting, like how it goes from Mr Kite to She's So Heavy, and the end of Strawberry Fields but the rest of it seems mostly pointless to me. Beatles maniacs seem to be loving the slight changes, though, so I suppose it's fine for that, but why not do one remastered album, then one experimental "mashup" one. Better yet, just fucking remaster all of their albums.

It's certainly less in-your-face than similar Internet type things I've heard, but it doesn't do as well as it could, considering who's behind it.

RChappo · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:17 am Post subject:

Fair points there.

I can understand how it feels a bit 'inbetween' but I think if you take it for what is is...a soundtrack to a show...then it puts it into some kind of perspective. I read one punter say that the whole thing sounded like "some kind of Beatles dream sequence" and I think that sums it up really well. Of course it will never replace the original recordings...nothing will... but I think it's definitely done in the spirit of the Beatles ethic and not at all heavy handed and crass. (Ps...have you heard the bootleg remix album "Hate"...terrible...lol? )

I also like the fact that it was George Harrison that initially instigated the Love concept because to me a lot of the recent Beatles releases seemed to be done in spite of him and he just went along with them because the rest of them did ( I have no evidence for this...just a feeling).

I am quite excited about seeing the show itself now and this time last year I was not interested at all.

Obviously we would all like some remastered Beatles CDs, I believe there are some whsipers that these are underway at the moment. One can but hope.

In the meantime see what you can pick up here if you haven't already done so.....best torrent site ever?????

http://www.jpgrmusic.com/forum/tracker.php

If they have any Dr Ebbetts remasters I highly recommend them. :)
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Dananiel · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:03 am Post subject:

I saw the Dr Ebbetts remasters on Oink and thought about it. I'm not a huge fan of remasters, but sometimes they're okay. Even if the record does sound better that's not always a good thing, it's like changing what it was supposed to be.

BILLY V2.0 · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:42 am Post subject:

my mate used to do mashups. his name was lee and he was 13, had a black brother and lived on a council estate. his dad had to put a lock on their fridge because him and his brother would sneak down at night and eat all the food.

he got one of those plastic floater footballs for xmas!

his mc name was lyrical lee! i'm sure he only followed a musical path because that pseudonym was too good to waste.

i don't think he did the beatles though. he was more into so solid crew. 21 seconds. who remembers that? that bloke in the video with his eyes.
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RChappo · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:29 pm Post subject:

RChappo · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject:

BTW...how do you get an Oink account?

or

can I get an invite???? Wink

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BILLY V2.0 · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:54 pm Post subject:

you need an invite. it's very exclusive. i was banned for a crap ratio. unless you've got stuff to share that few others do, it's really difficult to keep yours up. i never download those huge flac albums, so that was my downfall. if you just rip stuff at massive quality and upload that you'll be alright i think

i'm so used to this big font that i read my own messages back to myself on the top of my voice (in my head, obviously)
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Dananiel · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject:

I haven't listened to the mono version of Sgt Pepper's yet, but I want to. Well, I'd like to have it just because it's a pain in the face if one of your earphones die when listening to Sgt Pepper, it happened to me once and most of A Day In The Life was a cappella. Lesson: buy better earphones.

re: Oink invite, I don't have any yet but I will have some maybe in a week or something so I'll send you a PM when I do.

ps. on Oink there's a Dr Ebbett's mono mix...but no original mono mix. I understand there was an original mono mix, though. Much difference?

Dananiel · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

I'm getting Mirror Spock remasters instead now then, one torrent has the stereo and mono mixes. The mono is called 'Japanese red wax' so god knows, but apparently it's more popular than Ebbetts.

God, times like this I'd kill for a decent sound system, I'm getting a Loveless vinyl rip in FLAC. EXCITEMENT.

RChappo · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject:

Yeah. It comes down to personal preference really about the Mirror Spock v Ebbetts remasters. I haven't heard enough of the Mirror Spock ones to comment on those. Ebbetts ones are good if you want to just get a good "baseline" of the basic Beatles albums as an alternative to the EMI ones. Personally I'm trying to eventually get (ie download) both a mono and stereo Ebbetts version of the original UK Beatles albums as a baseline and then anything else (US Versions etc) will be just a curiosity.

Some of the ones from different countries were released in the 60's with different mixes due to EMI and The Beatles not really having much control over thier output in the rest of the world...so these can be interesting to pick up. There are probably a load of websites out there with the variations listed...it can get a bit nitpicky and anoracky though.

As for the different versions ie - japanese red wax etc...etc..etc...these sometime have been remastered and are therefore another variation (some of them were rematered in the 70's and 80's for instance)...but the difference in these is probably only really of interest to serious audiophile fussy collectors. I know some of the Ebbetts releases are identical mixes and differ only in the grade of vinyl used in the original LP releases they are taken from - some people see that as a varitaion to get excited about! Confused

To be honest it can all get a bit too much and you wonder why you bother sometimes Neutral

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BILLY V2.0 · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

LDiF is going to love this thread.
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Dananiel · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject:

I dunno how much I'll enjoy this, given my current sound system (calling it a sound system is being generous) and also considering that I didn't really get excited about stuff people were getting excited about on Love. Like centred drums.

RChappo · Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:

You'll probably enjoy the mono Sgt Pepper, quite a few little differences...extra vocals, guitars ans sound effects. She's Leaving Home is faster as well due to the tape speed being different. And The Beatles and George Martin themselves spent the majority of their time mixing the mono version and tossed off the stereo mix almost as an afterthought in 1967. So you could say that the mono version is how The Beatles wanted people to hear it.

http://www.jpgr.co.uk/pcs7027.html

this page outlines most of the mono/stereo differences...scroll down about 2/3 the way down...
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Dananiel · Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:18 am Post subject:

Given the mono a few listens, and I am pretty impressed. Lucy sounds awesome, the arpeggiated intro sort of melts in on itself, it's very lovely. Also impressed with A Day In The Life, maybe just because it's so nice to actually hear that song improved.

I'm not sure I can go back to stereo now.